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Post by Quacker Duk on Sept 26, 2007 1:57:38 GMT -5
Oddly enough, I though Sonic in "Sonic and the Secret Ring"s had a bit of the Attitude and Badditude magic about him. Not like Shadow, but definitely more likable. Hell, the final battle had him rip a guy's heart out and kick it!
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Post by Taylor Hedgie on Sept 27, 2007 22:57:49 GMT -5
Got a video of that?! That sounds awesome. o=o
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Post by Quacker Duk on Sept 28, 2007 2:04:08 GMT -5
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I'd like to think of that as myself.
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Post by celebaby20 on Sept 28, 2007 12:11:00 GMT -5
Man, I can't wait for Christmas, so I can buy a Wii and play SATSR.
(When Sonic gained a voice, he gained an ego and chessiness. That's how I see it.
But he was cool in Sonic Adventure, imo.)
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Post by Weirdo94 on Sept 28, 2007 12:13:15 GMT -5
I was about to say that myself, the only time he seemed to not spew out cheesy one liners was when he didn't even have a voice.
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Post by Quacker Duk on Sept 28, 2007 12:27:56 GMT -5
Yeah, but back in the old cartoons, he had a voice AND cheesy one liners. It's not really anything new.
I accept him talking, because it's the only way modern plots can be moved along. The key is making sure his dialogue is well written. (See Sonic Battle for examples of Good Dialogue)
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Post by mastersilver on Sept 28, 2007 16:13:33 GMT -5
Sonic Battle did have good dialouge. Foe example...
Emerl: (to Rouge) It loos like you DO have a use after all!
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Post by Taylor Hedgie on Sept 28, 2007 21:59:07 GMT -5
Eww, that game wreaks. =x
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Post by Quacker Duk on Sept 28, 2007 23:19:21 GMT -5
Nah. It was cool. Repetitive and cheep, mayhaps, but still pretty cool. Like Emeral, it had a lot of heart and a few kick ass moments.
That and I loved the urban art style. Pretty fresh, I thought.
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Post by mastersilver on Oct 3, 2007 17:20:14 GMT -5
It was also sad when Emerl went boom. But it was sadder in the anime (thank God for Youtube!)
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Post by Quacker Duk on Oct 4, 2007 11:07:23 GMT -5
Sonic Still has his moments. I maintain he was cool in Secret Rings, and he has some great moments in Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Battle. By far, his weakest stuff was Sonic Adventure, Heroes, and Shadow.
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Post by mastersilver on Oct 4, 2007 17:49:11 GMT -5
What was the weakest stuff in Sonic Adventure? Aside from how the character's have giant mouths he seemed fine.
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Post by Quacker Duk on Oct 4, 2007 18:45:57 GMT -5
It's really hard to describe, and it's a strangely personal and blurry line between kick-ass awesome, and silly.
In Sonic adventure, Sonic was cocky, but not in a pleasant way. Unopposed by anyone with a personality (besides Eggman, with whom he had little charisma), he just seemed like a guy going blithely from one place to another, unaffected by his surrounding. Add to that the terrible writing as seen in lines like:
Sonic dashing across the roofs of town: Alright! Now, this is happening!
Sonic waking up on Angel Island: Must have taken a snooze cruise!
Now compare that to Sonic Adventure 2:
Sonic had Shadow and Eggman AND the cops to stand up to. He was fighting to endure, and fighting for his name, and used his arrogance to stun his opponents whenever he survived. Furthermore, we had several key moments where Sonic was angry/frustraited, such as when he was in the cell at Prison Island and couldn't keep still, or when he got fed up with Knuckles flying the rocket.
More then anything, he just seemed invested in the story of Sonic Adventure 2, where as much of Sonic Adventure was wandering from objective to Object, leading up to a final showdown that didn't really make much sense. Sonic didn't defeat Chaos. He just used his Super Sonic abilities to punch it in the face until its hatred was neutralized. How does that work?! To make matters worse, the refrain "Open your Heart" sounds like a care bear cheer.
Sonic Adventure 2 featured Live and Learn (which talks about dealing with pain) and has a much more urgent dilemma at the climax. The voiced cheering you on clearly points out how much more screwed they're becoming by the second. Sonic and Shadow beat the Biolizard to Death, and then used Chaos Control to cathartically blast the Arc back into orbit. Hell, Shadow "dies" and the game ends with Sonic saying some amazingly serious and kind words about him. It's a side we don't see often, but it helps define his character.
Sonic Adventure wasn't bad. It was just weak, and those weaknesses in his portray were later emphasized in Sonic Heros (where he just seemed to be doing everything purely for poops and giggles).
Sonic can be an adventurer, and it's great to portray him as cocky, fidgety, and impulsive, but we need to see other sides to his persona in a game, otherwise he winds up being unlikable, grating, and flat.
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Post by mastersilver on Oct 4, 2007 19:26:23 GMT -5
Oh god, I just hated his "I must have taken a snooze cruise!" line. Honestly, the first time I played the last story I just wanted to put the game away. But did I? No. And an interesting fact about Chaos: The character was made so that he couldn't be rendered into any other software predating Gamecube (Handhelds don't count)
His worst line in Sonic Heroes was "Because...we're Sonic Heroes." Or, as I now call it, "Because, I'm a stupid jerk who can't save the world myself* and need others to help me, as well as I have a serious ego problem" and blah blah blah.
*may have been taken from Shadow's Eulogy. Please don't sue.
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Post by fakersinc on Oct 12, 2007 20:30:51 GMT -5
The ''super power of teamwork" wasn't the worst. The quote at the end, where he says "Because, we're Sonic Heroes" sounded downright stupid and made Sonic sound like he has some real ego problems. He DOES have ego problems. Thats the thing. Sonic isnt a lover of justice for small furry animals anymore. He's a self-centered adrenaline junkie who also happens to be good with the ladies. .... Well its TRUE.
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