zackthefox
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Post by zackthefox on May 23, 2009 19:39:03 GMT -5
I was just reading an old topic called: "The biggest plot hole in "Shadow The Hedgehog" " and it said something about Shadow being related to Biolizard. Is that true? If not, then how is he NOT related to Biolizard?
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Post by Weirdo94 on May 23, 2009 20:21:12 GMT -5
Well, it's no normal relation, but the Biolizard was a first try at Shadow...Obviously didn't work, being that it's big, clumsy, and requires life support at all times, but it's enough to consider it a relative in a freaky test tube sort of way.
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Post by zackthefox on May 23, 2009 20:29:01 GMT -5
Yes, I guess so. What I don't get is how the Biolizard has enough power to move the ARK in SA2B. (Sorry for going off topic technically, but this IS related to the Biolizard, riiight?)
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Post by Weirdo94 on May 24, 2009 18:55:19 GMT -5
Uh...crap, I never thought about that one before. Considering the fact that it had already received a beatdown earlier, it would be like a geriatric short a lung towing a fire truck.
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Post by madchaosdragon on May 25, 2009 0:45:30 GMT -5
Didn't the game say that Biolizard was a prototype of Shadow? Even so, there's also this weird thing that's been nagging me.
They might've used (I don't know) lizard DNA to make Biolizard and it failed for some reason. What made them decide to make an ultimate lifeform out of a hedgehog? Now that I think about it, who's hegdehog DNA? Does being a prototype count as a relative? Also, what kind of "ultimate DNA" did they use to make either Biolizard or Shadow? One other thing: Did Black Doom help with Biolizard or just Shadow?
BTW, how in the world did they go all around the inside of the ark in both the game and anime and not catch a glimpse of that ginormous wart of flesh??
Ugh... so many plot-holey questions... *expoldes*
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Post by zackthefox on May 25, 2009 16:48:02 GMT -5
Yes, yes. There is tons of plotholes. *Explodes with MCD*
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Post by madchaosdragon on May 25, 2009 22:10:57 GMT -5
*reforms* Maybe they made the plot holes to keep us guessing and buying more of their games in hopes of putting the pieces together. Then again, they probably don't know how to or what to fill the plot holes with. What a confuzzling situation.
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Post by Akago on May 27, 2009 13:54:52 GMT -5
*Teary eyes of 'WHY THE HELL DID I DO THAT!?' as she had a five paragraph answer to different questions in this and then accidentally closed Firefox.*
Annnnnyway, time for some retyping...
Yes, SA2 claimed Bio-Lizard as one of the phototypes that lead to Shadow. Bio-Lizard was also created before the introduction of Black Doom's blood.
The choice of a hedgehog was made because of a mural Gerald once saw in the Mystic Ruins. I believe it's one shown in Sonic 3, but don't quote me on that. The Artificial Chaos (Is that the right name?) came from the same thing I believe, possibly a mural similar to the one in the center of the temple in SA1. Before the mural, lizard was likely the top pick because of the regenerating abilities possessed by some of them. Some salamanders for example can regrow limbs, organs, and even parts of spinal cord.
In aspect of relation, since they were from the same project, Shadow and the Bio-lizard could be seen in some way as related, they don't likely have any genetic similarity.
As far as DNA, there are two ways you could look at it I would assume. One would be that many samples of Hedgehog DNA were gathered up and spliced to create the best string possible, or research went into the structure of hedgehog DNA and Gerald and the other scientists aboard the ARK created it from scratch by manipulating them as they were formed and grew.
As far as not seeing mister blob of lizard, while he is big, he didn't seem that much bigger then the Master Emerald shrine you see when Shadow fights him. But he seems to gain more size when fusing with the ARK. This leads me to guess that somehow the Bio-lizard's size was changed because of the fusion. Going by game cannon, Knuckles was able to manipulate the size of the Master Emerald, possibly using Chaos Energy. Bio-Lizard may have done the same thing. Being that I believe he was close by to both the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald, maybe he somehow gained enough power to do it from those. (Okay, I only know for sure the Chaos Emeralds and The Master Emerald were both on the sapce station. Looking into them being in the same area of the Bio-lizard. I could be way off base here.)(After a bit of searching, the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald were all in the same room as the Bio-Lizard when Shadow fought it, right before it fused with the station. There was no contact between it and the emeralds though, but since it emerged from the thing over top of the shrine built in the room, it could be that it had some sort of link to that thing, and may have been able to tap into the power that way.)
Now, here's one of mine: While there is the possibility that Gerald deleted it when he somehow hacked the station to put that video in (A plothole in and of itself, since they never explained how he did that moments before being shot either), they never did touch on what exactly what happened to the research surrounding Shadow's creation. Rouge couldn't find anything about him in the ARK database. Was it destroyed? Stolen? What happened to it? (And thus you meet a plothole which I have used for fan character development. *shifty eyes*)
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Post by madchaosdragon on May 27, 2009 22:06:56 GMT -5
Ah, the answers do me well. I never got play the old SA1 game so I never knew about the mural of a hedgehog that Gerald saw. Makes sense, but still... why a hedgehog?? Sonic couldn't have been born back then so what made a hedgehog so desirable?
Ya know, I never thought about that last one on how he hacked the video into the ARK moments before execution.
Also, you know what I found funny? I could've sworn that in the Japanese version of SA2: Battle, when everyone is watching that video, that you actually get to hear the gun shots being fired. You don't the gruesome scene, but you defintely hear shots fired. It happens at the moment Amy starts talking again, I think. Or who ever says something immediately after you hear the officiers say "Ready!"
Then again, someone could have edited the gunfire sound in but I also remember a brief 2-3 second scene where they are listening (and watching) in shock at the execution. Boy, nothing surprises them these days.
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Post by Akago on May 28, 2009 0:05:18 GMT -5
No kidding, that's what I remember. I might pull the scene out later just to make sure.
And I think the mural was predicting a hedgehog as a great savior in the future. I guess the idea clicked in his mind that maybe the ultimate life form was said savior. *shurg* Can't be sure though.
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zackthefox
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Post by zackthefox on May 28, 2009 16:46:23 GMT -5
I've only played the 1st Sonic The Hedgehog. So I don't know about the mural. So, if this problem IS solved, should we lock this?
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Post by Akago on May 28, 2009 18:25:41 GMT -5
Nah, I'm sure someone will drag it up with question about another plot hole relating to Shadow. Just you wait.
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Post by madchaosdragon on May 29, 2009 0:14:52 GMT -5
A hedgrhog as a great savior for the future. Sounds like Sonic but ya know... I wonder if he just pulled the DNA from some random hedgehog or did he actually go searching for the perfect specimen. It's starting to sound alot like when those sciientists from the Pokemon series took an fossilized, but well-preserved hair from Mew and cloned and spliced it to make Mewtwo. So maybe I'm not imaginig things about that gunfire in the Japanese version. I think I shall search for that video now. BTW, your Omega comic is spot on. Sounds just like him.
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Post by madchaosdragon on May 29, 2009 0:48:10 GMT -5
Good crap, I searched YouTube up and down and no video showing the gunfire cutscene from Japanese version. I even checked Google. No go.
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Post by TDF on May 29, 2009 8:40:50 GMT -5
Huh. I actually believed all the Biolizard had with Shadow was the fact that he was a prototype. No real blood relations/similarity at all. I guess the tape may have been recorded while it was being shot, as Rouge does find it on a casette-like thing, and may have somehow been sent to the ark through transmission. Kinda like how the President gets the message from Eggman in his Limo and like how he sends his message to the world about Doomsday, but in reverse that the transmission is being sent to the ARK and being recorded. Also, MCD, I'm pretty sure Biolizard wouldn't be spotted because when they get to the shrine and ol' Bio comes out of nowhere (With Gerald's Pictures flying everywhere) Knuckles exclaims that he was encapsulated, and therefor wouldn't be spotted running around.
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