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Post by fakersinc on Jul 23, 2007 2:35:22 GMT -5
Hahahah! I know, its a harsh title, and I dont really mean it (I hope I dont get strangled in my sleep now). But here's a serious question for those curious about Shadow's past.
We all (should) know about Rouge's report on the Ultimate Lifeform. In it she states that Shadow was pretty much alive for only a week before the massacre on Ark occured.... so what exactly does this mean?
Are his memories fake...?
If not.... how could he have possibly formed a meaningful relationship with ANYONE in that span of time?
It they are fake... then why does he keep using it as an excuse to be brooding and awesome? You all know he is.
Tell us your thoughts!
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Post by Quacker Duk on Jul 23, 2007 12:11:40 GMT -5
Well, In Soinc X, it's heavily inferred that his memories are tampered with, but that is a separate continuity. (It shows two versions of Shadow's flight from the arc, one with the 'sayonara Shadow the Hedgehog' bit, and another, real, one where Maria is silently killed saving him and Emeral))
I think it's likely he did know Maria and Love her. If you watch in SA 2, some of the Memories are tinted blue and others red. I think the Blue are actually what happened, and the red were things that were either 'hate-corrupted" or simply altered by Gerald.
The tinkering was probably the "I promises you revenge" bit. We know Gerald tinkered with Shadow because of what he did at Prison Island. He said he finished his experiment there, and the genetic code scratched on his cell wall was probably him planning how to alter Shadow's Mimetic code. Black Doom confirmed this when he said "The professor did more to your memory then I expected."
Still, I think he did know and love Maria. We have no reason to believe the two levels of "Shadow the Hedgehog" with Maria in them did not happen. He was her friend. They knew each other. GUN commander's jealousy seems to intimate that Maria somewhat ditched him for Shadow. Also, I think it's safe to say that Part of Shadow's love for her was because he was MADE to save her. He was the cure for her, and he was also designed as a friend for the lonely girl. He was her salvation, and she is his purpose.
Which is why he's so eff'd up now. The one person he was meant to save, he would wind up being indirectly responsible for the death of. Few people have a clear purpose in life. He did, and it was stripped away from him by GUN. It's no wonder he's so angry all the time.
Which, to wrap things up is another reason I don't think that Gerald didn't do MUCH to his memory. He wouldn't have to. All he'd have to do was obscure Maria's final words. Shadow was ready to flip to begin with. He just needed to keep Shadow from remembering Maria's "safety words" on her death bed.
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Post by fakersinc on Jul 23, 2007 21:26:22 GMT -5
Poor Shadow. He should have realized a 12 year old girl most likely wouldnt ask anyone to murder the entire human race on her behalf. But whatever. What concerns me the most about what you said is this.... Shadow is on Ark with Maria and presumably is with her a week before GUN comes in and shoots everyone down. Shadow probably ended up taking Maria to safety where she was shot down right before sending him to earth in a pod. So how is it that Gerald was able to tamper with his memories?  He couldnt have done it before GUN arrived because it was a surprise attack. He had no reason to be pissed off enough to mess with Shadow's memory before the attack ever occured because he didnt know they were on their way. After the attack, he was arrested and thrown promptly in prison while Shadow was put into a deep freeze. There's no way he could have touched Shadow before GUN ended up putting him to death. |
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Post by Quacker Duk on Jul 24, 2007 11:04:34 GMT -5
Here's where your wrong. Gerald was kept alive long enough to finish his experiment before his execution. I swear this is explicitly stated in some sources, but it is also supported by two key bits of evidence.
A: The markings on his Cell wall. It's obvious he was planning to so some bio-engeneering. Since he had no access to the Bio-Lizard, then it's obvious that he meant to do this to Shadow, who was also at Prison Island.
B: The Password at Prison Island to release Shadow was M_A_R_I_A. Only Gerald would have imputed that. Thus, he was directly involed with the containment of Shadow during his "Post Arc" insanity.
I'll go even further to state that Gerald knew EXACTLY which memory to reconfigure. Remember, in Battle, it was revealed that "Give hope to humanity" (or something like it) was special code that released Shadow (and emeral) from their bio-weapon nature. Maria's last words were meant to free Shadow, and Gerald probably knew what they would be, thus he could tweak them just enough to cause mayhem later on. It's obvious after Shadow the Hedgehog that Maria wasn't as innocent in this affair as we thought. She was planning to help Shadow fight the Black Arms.
A better question is: How did Gerald send his own execution tape to the ark?
My response: Due to the recently revealed nature of Shadow's creation through the Black Arms influence, it's possible that Many of Gerald's last minute "insane plans" like the video and the biolizard nonsense, were rapidly augmented versions of booby traps he set up for the aliens. For instance, maybe he knew that Black Doom might have him executed, so he set the Arc computer to scan the internet for ANY video of his execution and upload it to the server. Little did he expect that it would be his execution at the hands of the government.
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Post by fakersinc on Jul 24, 2007 20:02:26 GMT -5
You know I really didnt think of that, or remember it for whatever reason so thanks for clearing that up. :3 But here is yet another problem you might be able to explain... the videos on ark of Gerald sounded like he was pretty pissed off. He was swearing revenge up and down like nobody's business. But why on earth was he so calm when Shadow's true nature was played back to him at the end of Shadow the Hedgehog?? He certainly didnt sound pissed at that moment in time. Now that's the first part of the quote... now let's continue... So why on earth would Gerald create Shadow to destroy mankind by messing with his memories.... then make a video later saying that he should help SAVE humanity by destroying the Black Doom?? It doesnt make any sense. So... stop the aliens from destroying humanity for whatever reason, then kill the humans for what they did??? And we all know he wanted the humans dead, because he specifically said it. EDIT: I also found this, which is what I had missed before!  So apparently he DID know they were coming... so he COULD have altered his memories then. But what you said makes much more sense. I'm also beginning to think Gerald is a little on the looney side. First he makes contact with aliens to save Maria somehow by creating Shadow, but then the government finds out and wants him put away. As you can see he admits the whole Ark incident is his fault, yet he turns around and plans humanity's defeat for it, anyway. Real nice, Gerald. REAL nice. |
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Post by shadegenkai on Jan 20, 2011 14:22:04 GMT -5
OK, for the first question "why was gerald so calm." It
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Post by shadegenkai on Jan 20, 2011 14:22:45 GMT -5
OK, for the first question "why was gerald so calm." It
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Post by Finhephor on Jan 21, 2011 15:34:55 GMT -5
You may want to elaborate a bit here man. Two posts, neither makes much sense, and neither is deleted yet. A little help on understanding you here?
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Post by atma on May 8, 2011 12:35:13 GMT -5
So why on earth would Gerald create Shadow to destroy mankind by messing with his memories.... then make a video later saying that he should help SAVE humanity by destroying the Black Doom?? It doesnt make any sense. So... stop the aliens from destroying humanity for whatever reason, then kill the humans for what they did??? And we all know he wanted the humans dead, because he specifically said it. I think what happened was Gerald made contact with Black Doom without telling anyone about it, and Gerald somehow found out what they were really planning (either A:as a sort of sign of vanity as well as "Good Will" towards Gerald, Black Doom told Gerald he would return to enslave humanity. Or B:Gerald found some Hieroglyphs depicting the Black Arms eating people found in their bird temples), and when he tried to tell the government, they brushed him off as a loon and told him they were gonna shut down his experiments just because. As for explaining his change of heart-well...When you find out your ill granddaughter that you love dearly got shot with extreme prejudice, it's kind of hard to still feel guilty about bringing an impending alien invasion upon your planet. |
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Post by Finhephor on May 8, 2011 14:00:19 GMT -5
Okay, now that makes MUCH more sense...
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He couldnt have done it before GUN arrived because it was a surprise attack. He had no reason to be pissed off enough to mess with Shadow's memory before the attack ever occured because he didnt know they were on their way. 
