time to break out the those protest signs...

[Kingpin]

Man ya gotta hate people for theese things, but some are starting to suggest that the blue hedgehog should be put to rest permanatly.....that includes shadow, and everyone else, although there are many faithfull fans who can sit through the crap he's been in recently and know sega is still recovering from the dreamcast incident but others are saying this:

The truth cannot be denied any longer. Sonic the Hedgehog must die. I say this not because I hate Sonic, but because I love him, or rather, I loved him. In truth, the blue hedgehog we knew and adored passed away many years ago. What is left is little more than an animated corpse, put on gruesome display for the profit of its puppeteers. This modern Sonic is a an abomination, a grotesque that simply should not be, and I, for one, am calling for his head.

I heard this from Game|life magezine it kinda pisses me off. sure some games wern't great but when I hear someone say this stuff it brings my piss to a boil, sonic is in crap yes but it doesn't mean he should dissappear, I mean even though his rival has had a great 3D run and sonic has had a bumpy road to trudge over doesn't mean he's dead look at us! we are those sonic 'nerds' who would rather kick ass with sonic than master chief I didn't even like halo! Sonic was and still is what I play if I had a bad day ya know you come home you had fallen (or had been pushed) into mud and just had an awfull day what game do you play? you either kick some ass with shadow or kick ass with sonic maybe knux or tails but it really fixed me up a bit, ever since I played my first sonic game my life has really become better, I have a few more friends, I have no legal rights to my ass of a father, least to say I am picked on for being a sonic fan but thats okay if SEGA really does go out to kill sonic and one person laughed "haha Your sucky video game gaylord is dead! you should have sticked to halo sucker!" I would litterally give them a knuckles samwich. This kinda thing really makes a horrible day worse to read this when ya walk in the door to escape life.

sorry for ranting again.

[Weirdo94]

Honestly, I can perfectly understand why you want to rant at this idiocy...Really, the funny thing is, most nutsty reviews are simply "I DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO USE THE RIGHT THUMBSTICK I WANT THE GAME TO MANAGE THE CAMERA FOR ME!" which is sad, really. All this shaky camera angle BS is simply cause of that.

We all know that gaming mags have lost their creditability anyway. When it gets to the point where you have to be paid to play a video game, your opinion obviously can't be trusted because you're doing it for the cash instead of the love of gaming.

Either way, looking at the sales (Even 06 went Platinum on the 360), all these asshats can do is whine while the fans just laugh back at them.

[Kingpin]

thanks for understandin that one I ain't particularly in a good mood, Im sick and tired and this idiocy is gonna add more to a reason to feel like crap. My current goal is to actually get a 360 to get sonic 06 because I thought it looked awesome even though others said it was crap, I played it at EB games and it seemed fun to me, I really hate reviewers that give it a 1 out of 10 because of camera being a little awkward, we are still learning about 3-D game making and it is espessially tough for people like me see people getting blammed for bad games when they spent hours on end working on it, I hope to devolp in 3D in the future and actually run a company like SEGA who only makes games, even if its only for the PC. Programing is a hard language to learn and when you add a third demension to it for every one line of code for the 2-D you need to add about seven for 3-D, yes i'm ranting again but this is really angering me like crap.

[Master Silver]

f**k that little dipsh!t who said "LOLOL I LUVED SAWNIK BUT NAOW HIS GAMES SUCK OLOL" in the magazine letter.

Review magazines are utter sh*t when it comes to perspective. "Well the camera tends to goof up every once in a blue moon, so this game gets a -infinity out of 100". Oh go f**k a lampost. It's funny how reviewers think their opinions are so great and that their readers are going to take their word for it. I never take a magazines (or websites) opinion on games; I ask my friends and then play the game myself at their house.

Sites like GameSpot just nitpick at the stupidest sh*t. I read on some British review site that they gave Brawl a 9.3 but whined about everything. They even said "All the characters are the same".

IS META KNIGHT A WOMAN?! CAN MARIO FLY?! DOES PEACH'S FINAL SMASH CAUSE A 1-HIT KO?!

Magazine reviews, and reviews in general, are utter garbage.

[Weirdo94]

So true. In a perfect world, gaming mags would simply give game "dissections", unbiased details of everything the player experienced. It would simply say "The camera was a bit shaky sometimes" or "There are 23 levels, the average time to play through them is 11 hours, and the average time to master them all is 72"...You know, things like that...it would let the reader know just what a game is like and let them decide if it's worth buying/renting without any sort of tilt factor thrown in by opinion.

But we don't live in a perfect world and the average gamer is too stupid to even make up their own opinions and needs someone else to do it for them. It's disgusting and I swear to God it's slowly killing the gaming industry bit by bit with all this moronic bull****.

[Kingpin]

I agree with you both reviewers are annoying except for AVGN he kicks ass but thats neither here nor there

[Dusk Fox Altars]

This is why I read reviews given on the internet, or refer to playthroughs to get a look at the gameplay. Magazines like N.O.M. (Nintendo Official Magazine) can't be trusted at all, because they put the spotlight on games that they market.

Overall: you can only trust other gamers opinions, but even then you'll have different views to them.

[TDF]

I only Trust Nintendo Power xD
But I gotta say, NP started to over-rate their games alot.
So honestly, I just buy the game if the cover looks good and the plot-thingie on the back looks fetching, and that's good enough for me.

[Kingpin]

Good point, I think i'll go to screwattack for reviews fer a bit, even if they say the game is bad and their wrong (another sonic 06 thing) they put some real reasons towards it, some of the 06 controll was indeed not Segas BEST work but it was playable and such.

[fakersinc]

The only people I hear saying this kind of crap anymore are the people who cant let go of the past by romanticizing their childhood as being great because Sonic the hedgehog only ran in one direction, had no storyline or substance, and looked like total crap.

Give me a break. Sonic inst any better than he was 10 or 15 years ago. It's better. Its more fun and the story lines are actually entertaining. Can you imagine what would happen if we were STILL just saving a bunch of ridiculous animals from being turned into robots??? Ugh I couldnt take that crap any longer! It was getting OLD.

Sonic doesn't need to die, Sega needs to continue trying to make a good product we can enjoy for a few hours without over analyzing it. You wanna know why I dont like Megaman games? Because its the same crap it has been for the last 15+ years, save for Legends which sadly no one enjoyed.

These people who cling to the so-called 'golden age of gaming' need to wake up. I used to beat games at 5 years old, it goes to show you how EASY and MEDIORCE older games were, especially Sonic games. You run around, collect gold rings to stop Robotnik. It went on and ON like that until Sonic Adventure when things became DIFFERENT. And somehow thats BAD??

[Dusk Fox Altars]

People get real scared about change. It's why most people stay retro and why some games just don't alter at all over the years. Even Mario is slightly guilty of this if you look at the Mario Party line. Sometimes it's a good thing and sometimes it's a really bad thing.

Personally, I don't mind the direction the Sonic games have taken. Hell, the main things I miss are the animals in the robots (they were cute and had a purpose as Chao Garden animals in SADX/SA2B) and the Fleetway comics/cartoons. The animals don't really have a purpose unless the Chao Garden is included again or if they have a part in the story, like with Gamma. Neither the Fleetway comics nor the cartoons (I watched AoSTH back then and have since become a fan of Sonic Underground) are considered canon and all were discontinued years ago. So there's NO point in demanding them back.

The only bad thing (I feel) is that Sonic is over stretched. If you look at SEGA's games, it's the Sonic series that gets the main publicity and little is produced otherwise. NiGHTs has only two games to it's name, despite having lots of possibilities and a considerable fanbase, Amigo is only now getting a game out for the Wii (which looks pretty good), Jet Set Radio is just begging for a new release and there are many more I can't name off the top of my head. Sonic deserves a vacation so these games can have a real chance to shine.

[fakersinc]

Over stretched? Maybe its because Sonic games are one of the ONLY series they have to their name thats actually theirs. Forget all those licensed games their whoring themselves out to make. Jet was a game that was glitchy and remotely entertaining at best. Again, people who cant tell a terrible game when they see one whining about it. However, since it was only ONE game I can see them having a go at it again and improving it.

Nights was pretty good, and whoop-de-doo the only people moaning and griping about how terrible it was compared to the original were the fanboys. That game was FINE. There was nothing wrong with it that wasnt ten times worse in the original version. Including the weird ass storyline which made no sense but was completely new and original. Why on earth they even TRIED to compare a game from today to one 15 years ago is beyond me.


The problem with SEGA is that they do not have the hardcore fanbase that Nintendo does. They never have and they most certainly never will. Nintendo fanboys will buy anything Nintendo craps out and will give it perfect scores. Zelda 64 and Majora's Mask were decent at best, yet every fanboy seems to think these are the pinnacle of modern gaming perfection. Year right. Same thing goes for Smash Bros. People who buy it are people who couldnt let go of these old ass characters 99% of the gaming world had forgotten about. But see, Nintendo is a master at catering to these people who loooooooove the old and hate the new.

I guess the fact that Japan's stranglehold on the gaming market is going nowhere. They dont even make their own games anymore; they ship it out to Korea and thats why their games these days are terrible. America is the number one producer of games right now, and we have perfected it with a hundred year's worth of cinematic experience and storytelling the Japanese just dont have, which is why something like Sonic Chronicles wins game of the month while Sonic06 was treated as a piece of garbage. Yes, I know Sonic Chronicles was made by a team up in Canada, but still it IS in the Americas.... and well, they got bought by EA.

Anyway... rant over.

[Weirdo94]

First of all, I'd like to point out that you've already received around 15 and a half counterpoints on the "SSB is where characters go to die" argument which have yet been resolved. It's not wise to reuse a point when it's currently referred to as "Very very wrong"

Second of all, saying that Nintendo doesn't make anything original or new is like saying they don't make games. In fact, one of the games you're bashing, Majora's Mask, had a very new twist in the gameplay...the option to manipulate time itself. Even though such a feature was copied and done to death by now, it was almost unheard of until then.

And let's not even mention creative ideas such as WarioWare and Pikmin...or better yet, there's this one thing that Nintendo's done that's added a fresh new twist to about every game you can play on it, you may have heard about it, it's called the Wii.

[fakersinc]

I dont think that argument has died at all. Hell there was a two page spread about it in EGM recently! Not to mention a few in Game Informer within the last 6 months. I mean, its TRUE. I can think of two series in the entire game whose characters arent already "retired"... Zelda and Metroid (and Snake? Well.... I wont spoil THAT for anyone). Brawl did manage to throw in stuff from their newer series, but dear god, who gives a crap about fighting as a Pikmin (or whatever that space guy was)? I heard ONE person in my entire group of friends say they'd play as that character. I'm pretty sure that Nintendo, like their BFF SquareEnix (sarcasm here) will continue to revive these dead characters until all the fanboys are dead, too (FFVII much???).

Also, I didnt say Nintendo doesnt make anything new or innovative. They do make new things that are pretty damn awesome (I loved Galaxy enough to keep it even after beating it). But again, Just like SEGA they have a terrible way of milking a series for all its worth. Sure, Majora's mask had new and exciting elements to the game, but that doesnt save it from being an OK game. Sonic Heroes had new and exciting gameplay elements, yet did Heroes get great reviews? No, it didnt, because there arent enough fanboys at Sega to point out that playing 3 characters at once was pretty interesting.


And here's another criticism of Nintendo. And btw, if you dont agree then you need to read more about what the industry is saying. All they have to offer as of late are a bunch of mediocre titles aimed at 50 year old retiries. EGM just had an article about it last month, which I'm sure you can find at their website now for free.

I think one of the main reasons they're even afloat anymore is because theyre SMART. They are targetting new audiences, which is nice, but why on earth target the age groups that only make up less than double percentage of the gaming market? Youre basically ignoring your main target audience. I am willing to bet Nintendo is going to have some serious issues within the next two system runs or so... they might not even last that long as a hardware developer and go software like Sega was forced to. Although you have to give credit to Nintendo for being able to stick around for 200 years switching from one market to the next.

As for something like Warioware, the general consensus is that mircogames are a very cool idea, but guess how fast people get sick of it? I bought WarioWare for the Wii and I mastered it within a week, then I sold it off because there was NO POINT to that game or to keeping it. Things like that are best saved as rental titles because they just have no substance. When I was working at Gamestop we had hundreds of those damn warioware titles scattered around the city we couldnt get rid of. Mostly because the value of Nintendo games remains fairly constant (they dont mass produce on an epic scale like Microsoft does, forcing the price down). It isnt because these games are "rare" or anything silly like that.

Cant say squat about Pikmin because I never played it. To be honest, I havent even touched the Wii in months mostly because I'm completely bored with the titles I do have.

I hate to sound like I have some kind of grudge with Nintendo, because plenty of companies whore out their products. But I really do have a grudge in a way, because after years of buying Nintendo products all I keep getting is the same crap that's just been improved slightly.

[Weirdo94]

Every series usually maintains a one game per console run. Saying that only Zelda and Metroid aren't dead is simply ignorant. While they hold the most popularity as of late, the others are anything but dead. As mentioned before, Kirby's had a release only a month ago...did he somehow manage to find his way into the grave in that one month?

You've also royally contradicted yourself with the complaints of Olimar being in Brawl. His play style is fully unique and you bash him just for that? He's certainly better then the average fighting game character in my opinion simply because he's an unexpected combatant. Not everyone wants to play as some muscular master of hand to hand combat or a lone swordsman with a blade twice the size of his head.

And I should mention that they're only creating SOME games for the older audience. They're a big enough company to doubletask like so, and you're still seeing many many games aimed for the gamer audience. (Such as Galaxy, which you just mentioned...) In complaining about the handful of games they made that weren't for an audience such as yourself, you seem to have missed the bushel which are.

One last thing...isn't it a point to improve on old systems as well? As great as innovation is, the kinks are never worked out the first time around. The art of trying to perfect gaming formulas is an important one as well, considering many people tend to become quite attached to some of the new concepts that come out and would like to see the details done right.